When O’Reilly was finished speaking about how careful we should be with what we say about the war because it affects the troops, no one clapped. However after Letterman basically said the same thing as O’Reilly, the whole audience seemed to agree and clapped. As the interviewed progressed, O’Reilly seemed to be shutting down Letterman every time he spoke bad about the war—without any evidence to back his claims up—and therefore he attempted to change the subject. One time he said “lets go back to your little red and green argument”, referring to O’Reilly’s “War on Christmas”.
Letterman felt strong about “grieving mother” Cindy Sheehan, in fact at one point he said “Honest to Christ, Honest to Christ” when referring to O’Reilly’s disdain for her. However, Letterman eventually agreed with O’Reilly when the latter brought up Sheehan calling terrorists in Iraq, “freedom fighters”. By the end of the argument, Letterman became friendlier with Bill O’Reilly when he knew that he lost the argument.
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12:46 am [ Quote ]
Thank God for Conan.
1:08 am [ Quote ]
Hmm. Its strange that people can watch the same clip and come away with completely different views of what happened. In no way did I feel Letterman lost that war of words. I thought O’Reilly was unable to keep up with the discussion and looked frustrated that he couldn’t turn Letterman’s mic off so that he could finish his point without interupption.
All in all, I found it entertaining. I like seeing intelligent people give and.
/Political Moderate, registered independent, in case anyone wonders.
1:42 am [ Quote ]
When has O’Reilly turned off anyone’s mic?
1:45 am [ Quote ]
Thank God Bill O’Reilly is calling our fighting men & women “noble”
Why isn’t:
*Katie Couric
*Rep. Murtha
*Howard Dean
*The whackos at NBC Nightly News last Saturday who ran those tear-enducing images of the suffering in New Orleans… but not the cheer-enducing sight of their uniformed rescuers!
And this freedom fighter crap? I don’t see the insurgents toasting Iraqis with purple fingers? I see them bullying said Iraqis.
I thank God I live in this country and… recommend to those who don’t share my view go here and see a reason why America is #1
1:56 am [ Quote ]
Jeremy Glick.
Not that I agree with either of them [Glick/O’Reilly]... But this incident was the first thing that came to my head.
2:10 am [ Quote ]
sarty I agree, I felt Letterman was speaking from his gut. He really doesn’t understand why these guys don’t lay off Cindy (me neither…as I have noted here…) even if they don’t agree with her, people who lose sons act weird, grief is very painful and if you don’t have feelings you don’t know that.
OReilly doesn’t present fair or balanced, I HAVE watched him. And he is just caustic, mean and one sided.
2:21 am [ Quote ]
Thanks for posting the clip.
I don’t think Letterman was outmatched at all here; in fact, I agree with Moderate that O’Reilly was visibly shaken by Letterman’s sharp rebukes. While O’Reilly is perhaps the most successful contemporary television political pundit, he was clearly unprepared for such an intense clash. While it’s unconventional (and some might argue inappropriate) for a late night entertainer like Dave to take on such an antagonistic tone with a guest, if ever there was a man familiar with (and, accordingly, prepared for) hostile interviews, it is Bill O’Reilly. He is America’s chief proprietor of this format, because he’s very good at it. But when the tables were turned, when he tasted his own medicine, it was, no matter how well-deserved, admittedly unsettling (even for this liberal) to watch.
It would be worthwhile to read the following column O’Reilly wrote in 2001, headlined “The Letterman Experience”:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21855
In it, he wrote, “Mr. Letterman is a smart guy who can spot a phony with telescopic accuracy and expects his guests to bring something to the table. If a guest begins to sink on this show, the bottom is a long way down.”
Amen, Bill. Amen.
2:32 am [ Quote ]
Sarty: “I thought O’Reilly was unable to keep up with the discussion …”
Wha—?? O’Reilly waaay overpowered Letterman. Letterman stayed composed, but he got spanked. Letterman had to change the subject when O’Reilly made his rebuttals.
Why do you think Letterman made his cheap “60 percent” crack? Because he was out of his league.
(By the way, if you watch O’Reilly/Glick, O’Reilly said, “Cut his mic,” but Glick was still audible. O’Reilly simply ended the interview when Glick got a little animated and wouldn’t stop talking.)
2:35 am [ Quote ]
Letterman just says that cause he means it, he said he didn’t think Kerry “made any sense” after his appearance, I mean he isn’t partisian as much as anti BS. He had a famous incident with Rush where he said, ralther playfully “dont you think maybe you are just a bag of gas?”
2:36 am [ Quote ]
I just noticed something after watching the video again.
Before introducing Bill (while the music is playing), LETTERMAN STIRS BILL’S WATER WITH HIS PENCIL! Bill drinks out of it later. Ewww.
Was this on purpose?
2:38 am [ Quote ]
Well, I came away with mixed feelings. I saw the interview live, & I knew Letterman was going for blood from the start of the interview with his opening question:
(Paraphrasing here): “Tell us about your background in broadcasting”
The wound has always been “Inside Edition? for the O’Reilly critics.
Another thought I do remember during the late 90’s either the NYPOST or SUN (maybe someone here might know) went looking for some information on Letterman and found out he had a ‘tendency to vote republican’ to which Letterman denounced on the air:
“I am neither a republican, nor a democrat…ladies & gentlemen & I am an American”...
Great line, & delivered like a pro.
I did believe Mr. Letterman when he said he had no clue to the extent on the ‘War on Christmas’, as was evident for any viewer of the show who watched for the past month leading up to Christmas, Dave did wish every guest “Merry Christmas” rather than “Happy Holidays” as another Late Nite Talk Show Host did.
However, with all this said. It was unfortunate that Dave went after O’reilly in such a manner as this. It did however make for great television viewing, but that’s about it. I am sure if this gets any press, it will probably be blown out of proportion like most everything else in the media.
What is also well known, and not mentioned in this post is that David Letterman has often called Al Franken, ‘a friend’ & even stated this to Mr. O’Reilly’s face in his previous interview with the Fox News star some time ago.
My guess is Dave probably wanted Bill to walk off the set in a ‘huff’ thus creating a huge media frenzy (free press) for “The Late Show”. In the end, I felt both held their own fairly well, with the exception of the biased New York audience. Now Michael Savage, that would have been a bit more interesting.
2:48 am [ Quote ]
I totally agree with carol. Dave was speaking from his gut. A perfect example is his saying “I don’t watch the show, but I think 60% of it is cr*p”.
Bill however, was speaking from his brain. It’s not often that he comes across as well as he did in this interview. I am amazed that the west hollywood crowd actually applauded for some of his statements.
2:53 am [ Quote ]
Wrong host & city Kevin, Dave’s in NY, Jay’s in CA.
7:33 am [ Quote ]
It is obvious that Dave has invested quite a bit of himself in the bankrupt moonbattery of the far left (the Ward Churchills, ACLUs etc etc). His agitated defensiveness when confronted with Sheehan’s ridiculous and perverted ravings (O’Reilly: “Suicidal fascists are not freedom fighters.” Letterman: “I have to defer to the left on that one so 60% of what you say is probably wrong”) gives that away.
O’Reilly was right in most of what he said in this videoclip except for the Iraq war being a mistake that we need to support now. I think that Mr. Letterman has been swept up in the left’s campaign of disinformation and that is very unfortunate. The poor man suffers from a dangerous epidemic which I’m calling libnesia.
The Democrats’ freakin 2004 VP candidate in 2002 on CNN called Saddam an “imminent threat.” And the Frenchurian candidate himselfon MSNBC said: “Who knows if a month from now, you find some weapons. You may.”
If you look at the Congressional record you will see that the focus of the authorization for the use of force was the fact that Iraq was violating the ceasefire agreement with the U.S. and that WMD was one aspect of that. The fact that they remain unaccounted for should serve to highlight the nature of the threat and the decision that had to be made.
It is obvious too anyone who has escaped the political insanity of the left that President Bush did not LIE about WMD and regime change in Iraq. It would be too psychologically demanding for people to admit that the supposedly “progressive” could ever get things so wrong with regard to what America’s role in the world has to be. Kerry who continuously neglected to mention that France declared that it would veto any new resolution against Saddam “no matter what the circumstances” would not have launched Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003 and Saddam Hussein would still be dictator of Iraq today, continuing the WMD programs and maintaining the undisclosed labs that were discovered. People forget what America’s enemies can do when we underestimate them. Just one drop of ricin is lethal, and we can’t rely on the same disfunctional and fundamentally corrupt organization, which stood by during the slaughter of 800,000 Rwandans, to look out for the security interests of the American people.
For president Bush to do that after 9-11 would have been madness. The sort that poor Mr. Letterman and millions of others have been swept up by. Do we really expect people who are confused or full of misconceptions about what America is or stands for to understand why we are in Iraq?
8:12 am [ Quote ]
Well, well, well once again Letterman opens his cakehole and removes all doubts as to his shallowness of thought and his far left wingnut status. One can readily see that O’Reilly was adeptly schooling his host while maintaining his manners, maturity, and dignity (items not found on the far LEFT).
Letterman would do well to restrict himself to “comedy” and Hollywood, and avoid further confrontation and contact with reality.
9:13 am [ Quote ]
DAVID LETTERMAN: MOONBAT?...
Bill O’Reilly took on David Letterman last night. Advantage: O’Reilly. The Political Teen has video. Letterman recycled chickenhawk arguments, muttered “Honest to Christ!” when O’Reilly refused to back down from his criticism of Cindy Sheehan, and…
9:46 am [ Quote ]
Wow, I was so suprised and embarrased for him ,to learn just how uninformed Letterman is. It seems he doesn’t read the papers or watch the news or have any in depth awareness of current events- does he just read cue cards and headlines? How much money does he make?
9:58 am [ Quote ]
Oh yeah APress, thanks for the correction.
10:01 am [ Quote ]
Comment by carolm sarty I agree, I felt Letterman was speaking from his gut.
Huh? is that like farting?
10:02 am [ Quote ]
“Let’s talk about your friends in the Bush administration” is how Letterman starts the interview, indicating that Letterman doesn’t know anything about O’Reilly’s politics. O’Reilly corrects him with a quiet “they don’t like me,” which Letterman ignores. O’Reilly repeats his correction when he has the floor, and is greeted with obnoxious laughter from a member of the audience. And so the tone is somewhat set.
O’Reilly soon delivers Letterman a gift; he mentions Cindy Sheehan. For the duration of the interview, Sheehan will be Letterman’s Nerf bat: “[US Soldiers] are not terrorists, and when people call them that, like Cindy Sheehan, called the insurgents ‘freedom fighters,’ we don’t like that.”
This exchange follows:
“How can you possibly take exception with the motivation and the position of someone like Cindy Sheehan?”
“Because I believe she is run by far left elements in this country; I feel bad for the woman.”
“Have you lost family members in armed conflict?”
“No, I have not”
“Well then, you can hardly speak for her, can you?”
[Applause]
This is the pattern for the whole thing. O’Reilly makes a point, and Letterman shifts to a new subject. If necessary, Letterman’s last-ditch-defense argument is actually, unbelievably, “I arbitrarily choose to believe the facts you are presenting to defend your arguments are just made up, and I am therefore still right.”
Letterman loses every single point in this debate, as a debate. It’s hard to believe anyone can honestly see Letterman as the winner, though I see some people do. I’m not sure what criteria could be used to filter this interview to make Letterman win, but it’s a free country.
Bill O’Reilly isn’t exactly the best debater the world has to offer, so it’s a little surprising to me that he would be able to just walk away with it. It’s sad, but I’ve actually lost some respect for Letterman. It’s been a while, but I don’t remember him being so … shallow.
I’m not even sure Letterman wins if you use the “applause meter” method of determining a winner.
10:23 am [ Quote ]
I’ve been a loyal Letterman fan for the past 8 years, but I’ve definitely lost about an ounce of respect for him after watching that interview. I thought O’Reilly put up a good fight against Letterman’s ignorant and biased arguments.
10:26 am [ Quote ]
I watched Letterman live, just for O’Reilly, and thought O’Reilly killed him. On the Sheehan thing, Letterman asked him the stupid question of “How can you not have sympathy for her.” Clearly meaning how can you question her, and then went on and asked if Bill had lost a child in combat, and when Bill said no, Letterman said, “then how can you speak for her.” These people are so full of crap, but I thought of a good analogy.
I had a nephew die of brain cancer when he was 18 months old. What if, in my grief, I went around saying that we spend way too much money on AIDS research, since that is a totally avoidable disease anyway, and the people who get it are doing something wrong, and my nephew did nothing wrong, so we should stop spending all this money on AIDS and start spending it on a cure for brain cancer. Just because I lost a loved one, does that mean I am AUTOMATICALLY right? Of course not, and the Left would jump all over me on that one, but they are trying to do the same thing with Sheehan. Their implication, and outright statements, in teh case of Dowd, are that becuase Casey died, we HAVE to listen to Sheehan, and we CANNOT disagree with her.
O’Reilly killed Letterman when he asked “How does it make the other parents of dead soldiers when Sheehan calls their killers ‘Freedom Fighters’” Old Dave had no response to that, and that’s when he wanted to change thesubject.
10:27 am [ Quote ]
Letterman Takes On O’Reilly…
I haven’t watched Letterman in years, really. In fact, for a long time the only reason I watched was to see the “Top Ten” lists, which were usually funny. But after they were over, I switched to something else. Know I remember why.
Last night,...
10:44 am [ Quote ]
O’Reilly & Letterman…
Yes, I saw this pitiful display on TV last night. I even stayed up to watch it and wanted to bitch slap both of them.
Reader Terri B sent me an e-mail asking me, “Just curious of you caught the Letterman’s disgraceful banter with O’Reilly? I onl…
10:46 am [ Quote ]
Letterman came across exactly as I would have expected from a liberal with little or no facts to back up his opinions.
Listening to him rattle off his ‘biased’ opinions was insulting to anyone who has invested any kind of thought to these issues.
This ‘Speaking from the Gut’ is nonsense…one needs to speak from conclusions made from an examination of the facts and balanced with objectivity.
For Letterman to state he believes 60% of O’Reilly’s show to be BS and then admitting not to even watch the show shows his bias. He says he based this conclusion on what he’s read and heard. From who…His good friend Al Franken I would guess.
I don’t necessarily agree with everything O’Reilly says but I am doubtful that he is wrong that often.
I would LOVE to see Letterman take the hot seat on O’Reilly’s show…but somehow I don’t believe that Mr. Letterman has the intellectual integrity or courage of his convictions to back up his b**lsh*t.
11:01 am [ Quote ]
O’Reilly Silences Letterman…
The Political Teen delivers the video for Bill O’Reilly’s appearance on David Letterman’s show last night. Letterman starts out by bascially saying that O’Reilly is making up these stories about the war on Christmas, but when the conversation turns…
11:03 am [ Quote ]
1. David Letterman and Al Franken are close friends.
2. Bill O’Reilly and Al Franken are not close friends.
3. Do I really need to continue?
Okay, oversimplification of things but that’s clearly part of Letterman’s displeasure.
And, lets’ face it, O’Reilly can be, let us say, insensitive towards others?
11:05 am [ Quote ]
For carolm and crokeman’s sake I hope neither smoke, as both spew nothing but 100% piehole produced methane.
They kick ass on methane too
O’Reilly kicked Letterman’s a$$.
You Libs continue to try “Freedom Fightin” your way out of the truth. I love how the left have turned denial into a profession.
Unlike Letterman, I have read you, not about you. God bless our troops
11:05 am [ Quote ]
While you folks were taking score you missed the point of Dave’s questions. The point was about the level of divisiveness currently promoted by talking heads in commentary and the media. Two points that stick out, the Cindy Sheehan question and the 60% of what O’Reilly says is crap.
11:09 am [ Quote ]
Coffee cup stir…was EDITED OUT OF WEST COAST BROADCAST
So Hollywood never saw it
11:16 am [ Quote ]
[...] ** EDIT ** Here is some video footage. I was too lazy to link to it last night. Yeah. Posted By Erech @ 12:18 AM, January 4 2006 Filed under: People I Hate [...]
11:26 am [ Quote ]
[...] This segment is definitely worth watching and it can be found at The Political Teen. [...]
11:37 am [ Quote ]
O’liely won? ahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahaha and so on…
The scariest part about all this is most of you lunatics probably have a license to drive too.
More kool-aid!
11:59 am [ Quote ]
what I noticed most about David Letterman’s opinions were he based them on his feelings and not what he thought. Our feelings or emotions are where our personal bias are stored. We have to use thought and logic to overcome bias.
12:17 pm [ Quote ]
“When O’Reilly was finished speaking about how careful we should be with what we say about the war because it affects the troops, no one clapped. However after Letterman basically said the same thing as O’Reilly, the whole audience seemed to agree and clapped.”
If you think “we all need to be mindful of what we say” is “basically the same” as “Bill O’Reilly needs to be mindful of what he says,” you’re either kidding yourself, or really that stupid.
And then you say that O’Reilly “won”? Letterman’s main points were “what legitimizes our presence in Iraq” and “What is factually incorrect about Sheehan’s position” and neither of these were answered.
Stop the party worship.
12:26 pm [ Quote ]
I hadn’t seen a Letterman Show in… well I can’t remember. But I forced myself to watch it live last night, having to sit through Letterman’s excruciatingly inane opening segments. Wooo hooo! That waiting-for-the-cat-to-dial-911 shtick was sure a knee-slapper!
To ease the pain I flipped back and forth to the Orange Bowl.
crokeman sez: “...in fact, I agree with Moderate that O’Reilly was visibly shaken by Letterman’s sharp rebukes.”
More like he was just shocked by the incredibly ignorant and idiotic statements Letterman was making.
Stammering and stuttering throughout the entire segment, Letterman used many of most time-honored lefty tactics. One was trying to put words into O’Reilly’s mouth (“Then you can hardly speak for her, can you”). Another, when out-smarted, out-classed, out-informed, employ argumentum ad hominem (“... 60 percent of what you say is crap.”, “People like you…”). Another, when unable to answer a question, quickly change the subject (too many occurances to list here). Another, outright lie to attempt to make a point(“The President himself…. said we are there because of a mistake in intelligence.”). Another, using CYA platitudes. Watch Letterman’s hand gestures during his comments about “support the troops”; looks like he’s was marking each point off a scripted DNC/NYT “Suggested Remarks” memo.
All in all Letterman came off every bit as the twit he his. But at least give Letterman credit for admitting he’s “not smart enough”. And you can’t really blame him, as his whole existence has been based on maintaining and playing to the mentality of a 12-year old.
All this is not to say that O’Reilly is the sharpest knife in the drawer. But in this match The Bill easily body slammed The Dave.
(And is there anyone – anyTHING – more annoying than Paul Shaffer? That I do remember)
12:47 pm [ Quote ]
From AyeRoxer- Stop the party worship.
The topics discussed were the war in Iraq and how one in the public eye can verbally either hurt, or support, our troops. AR is attempting to do a leftie U-turn into oncoming traffic! I haven’t heard of O’Reilly saying bad things about our troops…not so for John Kerry (D-Ma),Dick Durbin (D-IL), Nancy Pelosi (D-Ca),and the list of Democrats such as Murtha goes on. There’s a Party of worship. They pay homage to the MSM almighty camera. God bless our troops
12:49 pm [ Quote ]
Unbelievable.
Letterman himself admitted during this debate (if we can use that term) that he didn’t have enough facts to counter O’Reilly and folks here STILL think that Lettermann won the argument.
1:20 pm [ Quote ]
I’m Not Smart Enough to Debate You Point to Point…
I’m actually happy to see the liberals so giddy about this. Most of them get their “news” from these kinds of shows and then can’t understand why the real world seems so much different than the one painted for them in a third grade level monologue …
1:28 pm [ Quote ]
This just in, Bill: It’s MI-6 (read: M-EYE-6), not M1-6. Can’t wait to hear Bill quote the C1A or the FB1 in the future!
1:36 pm [ Quote ]
Exhibiting a Stupid Human Trick of his own, David Letterman uttered these 10 words to Bill O’Reilly and in a single breath summed up the entire position of liberals today…
He went on to say that he had a “feeling that about 60 percent of what [Bill O’Reilly] say[s] is crap”. Beautiful. He has a “feeling” that 60% is crap, yet he acknowledges both that he isn’t smart enough to debate the points and he doesn’t watch O’Reilly’s show. Isn’t that just typical… uninformed and uneducated on the subject, but thinks his “feelings” about what he’s heard about something means jack shit.
In typical liberal fashion, Letterman ranted about “Bush’s intelligence failures” and ignored the fact that many other nation’s had the same info, including our own former administration. Isn’t that just typical… then he went on to praise a woman who says America is “not worth dying for”.
I’m actually happy to see the liberals so giddy about this. Most of them get their “news” from these kinds of shows and then can’t understand why the real world seems so much different than the one painted for them in a third grade level monologue and some stupid pet tricks.
Letterman’s enjoying a ratings trend similar to MSM. Don’t think it’s just a coincidence.
1:36 pm [ Quote ]
So much to say, so much to say…...
I saw this last night with my husband, who is an active duty soldier and Operation Iraqi Freedom vet (82nd ABN). I also counter protest in our Army town of Columbia, SC, @ Ft. Jackson (the Basic Training post). In fact, a few of us Army wives are going out tonight (every Wed.) to counter the war protesters.
Cindy Sheehan came here on her stupid bus tour in Sept. ‘05. She stood there preaching to a crowd of supporters, about 125 and of whom about 90+ were her entourage traveling with her (big support she got, yep). In the background was a sign saying, “Cindy, America Stands with You.” I was holding my “CIndy doesn’t speak for me” sign to which she said, “Um, I never said I did speak for you.” I’m thinking, “what? Maybe she hasn’t seen the sign right behind head” so I whipped out my “End Pacifism NOW” sign instead. This woman does indeed believe she’s speaking for the masses but overlooks the same points David Letterman brought up last night.
1) Just because a loved one died in OIF doesn’t mean you’re the only one with the authority to speak out for or against the war. If that were the case, the President, the entire cabinet and the majority of all Sen. and Congressmen should have nothing to say and we should leave policy making in Iraq to Cindy Sheehan.
2) The majority of mother’s who’ve lost sons in Iraq still SUPPORT the war and the mission. I live on a Basic Training post and weekly see thousands of new recruits graduating and their proud families, made up of wives, children and parents, are beaming and so proud of their new soldiers, knowing full well they will most likely go off to war. They are eager to participate in such a worthy and historic event as OIF.
3) Cindy Sheehan has lied repeatedly about the facts of the war, about the President, and has thoroughly disgraced herself. She wrote after her visit to Columbia on Michael Moore’s web site that she invited me and my friend, who were counter protesting the event, to talk with her afterwards so we could explain how the war was justified. This is a very small example of how she lies about whatever to make herself appear more stellar than she is. I would have JUMPED at such an invitation and relished every “DOH” look on her face. But no such luck. David Letterman probably doesn’t care about her honesty (or lack thereof) because the heartstrings are more important than the facts.
Perhaps Bill O’Reilly hasn’t lost anyone in Iraq, but neither has David Letterman. His opinion therefore would be just as invalid as he connotes O’Reilly’s to be. However, 19 of MY friends have died in Iraq and my husband has had bullets fly past his head, IEDs not explode under his HumVee or perhaps Letterman would count my opinion as valid as well.
Why grief is the litmus test for validity to a liberal is beyond me, but if we’re doing that, why is heroism not validity? Or the pride of knowing you’ve served in Iraq even if you’ve come back home alive? How can he discount the 106% re-up-ment rate of soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan reenlisting while still serving in theater? My husband re-enlisted in Baghdad, for crying out loud! If this isn’t proof that our soldiers on the ground who see what’s going on are willing to repeatedly risk their lives, what is? There’s a verse in the New Testament that reads, “Rarely for a good man would one dare to die…” speaking of how Christ died for all….. in the same way, how many soldiers would dare to die for Iraqis and Americans if the war was a farce? A lie? A joke? Illegal? Good men would flee and turn coat. Instead, good men are staying put and changing the world, one terrorist at a time.
It shouldn’t surprise anyone that Letterman and NYer’s are against this war, despite the fact that you’d think they’d have some sympathy for Iraqis, being just a few blocks away from the old World Trade Centers. We have Iraqi friends living in Baghdad and Mosul and I pray to God that they never see the real message of David Letterman on their new satellite TVs…: Screw Iraqis, only American count.
1:40 pm [ Quote ]
Yeah that was hilarious with Letterman stirring his drink with the pencil! And then he’s all “oh yeah that’s yours Bill” Haha!! So playful!
O’Reilly is a jerk but Letterman’s clock got cleaned.
1:46 pm [ Quote ]
When Letterman openly mocked Fox’s “fair and balanced” label, O’Reilly missed a golden opportunity. Why does Dave, and the media at large for that matter, still put all their singular focus on Cindy, while the outright majority of mothers who have lost sons in Iraq believe that they died fighting for a worthy cause? Shouldn’t we know at least one of these mother’s names if other networks are so fair and balanced? Many of these mothers would cherish the opportunity to tell their side of the story, but do you think any network other than Fox would be willing to report it?
O’Reilly is a decent debater, but sometimes he makes unecessary concessions in the interest of appearing balanced, such as his saying last night that Iraq is a total mess. I’d like to see Dave try his strongarm O’Reilly tactics against Dennis Miller, although they probably have too much mutual respect.
1:50 pm [ Quote ]
I think the biggest difference between liberals and conservatives is that liberals think with their hearts, and conservatives think with their heads. This interview at least is a perfect example of that.
1:54 pm [ Quote ]
“And then you say that O’Reilly “won?? Letterman’s main points were “what legitimizes our presence in Iraq? and “What is factually incorrect about Sheehan’s position? and neither of these were answered.
Stop the party worship.”
Letterman won, not because of the rightness or wrongness of the debate, but because he had answers for everything (or questions, I should say). O’Reilly is way too moderate to handle the likes of Letterman. He even said at one point that the war had been a screw up. Yeah, that’ll work, Bill. But Letterman is a jerk, although a very funny one.
Here are some of Cindy Sheehan’s quotes. It might be easier to ask, “What is factually correct about them?” than “what is factually incorrect”.
• “America has been killing people on this continent since it was started. This country is not worth dying for…”
• “We have this lying bastard, George Bush, taking a 5-week vacation in a time of war.” (um, actually Cindy, the House and Senate were on recess… DC goes on vacation in Sept., numbskull, and the President had his advisors with him the entire time.. it might be better to point fingers at the Senate and Congress for taking their vacation, at least Pres. Bush had a 24/7 WORKING vacation)
• “When I was growing up, it was Communists. Now it’s Terrorists. So you always have to have somebody to fight and be afraid of, so the war machine can build more bombs, guns, and bullets and everything.” (she assumes her son was too dumb to know that he was just a spoke on the wheel of the war machine along with all the other soldiers)
• “Thank God for the Internet, or we wouldn’t know anything, and we would already be a fascist state.”
• “George Bush needs to stop talking, admit the mistakes of his all around failed administration, pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans.”
• “They’re not waging a War on Terror but a War of Terror. The biggest terrorist is George W. Bush.”
• “You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you’ll stop the terrorism.”
Which of these are correct? You get an A if you said NONE! We should ask Cindy these questions:
1) If the /terrorism/London Bombings are a result of the war in Iraq, what prompted:
-1969 bombing in Milan and Rome, Italy?
-1970 hijacking of several large aircraft that were blown up in Jordan?
-1972 11 Israeli Olympic athletes murdered at Munich?
-1972 bombings by the IRA in Britain?
-1973 car bombing in Britain?
-1974 package bombing in Madras, India?
-1974 mechanical sabotage in Paris, France?
-1974 package bombing in Madrid, Spain?
-1979 Iranian Hostage crisis?
1981 anthraxcontamination near a political conference in Britain by the “Dark Harvest Commandos”?-1981 assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II?
-1981 assassination of Anwar Sadat, Egyptian President?
-1983 Marine barracks bombing in Beirut?
-1983 US Embassy bombing in Beirut?
-1986 Berlin nightclub bombing?
-1988 kidnapping and murder of William Higgins. U.S. Marine Corps Lieutenant Colonel in Lebanon?
-1988 Pan American Airlines Flight 103 that was blown up over Lockerbie, Scotland, by Libyan terrorists? (all 259 people on board were killed)
-1989 bombing of UTA Flight 772 over Niger during a flight from Brazzaville to Paris? (all 170 persons aboard were killed)
-1991 Iraqi agents that planted bombs at the U.S. Ambassador to Indonesia’s home residence and at the USIS library in Manila?
-1993 World Trade Center bombing? – 1993 attempted assassination of President Bush by Iraqi Agents in Kuwait?
-1993 assassination attempt of then Jordanian Crown Prince Abdullah?
-1995 Tokyo subway gassing?
-1995 assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin?
-1999 terrorist attacks in Spain by the ETA?
-1999/2000 four bombings of political party offices during the Spanish elections?
-2000 bombing of the USS Cole in the port of Aden in Yemen, killing 17 U.S. sailors?
-2002 Bali bombings?
Etc., etc., etc. This is only a small sampling of attacks that have happened, not mostly to the US, BEFORE March 20, 2003 when the US and allies entered Iraq.
2) How is the war in Iraq illegal or unjust?
3) How many people (EXCLUDING TERRORISTS) died yearly under Saddam vs. in 2003-2005?
4) How has the US or Britain benefited financially form the war in Iraq (I thought it was too expensive a war and cost the US too much money)?
5) What oil has the US gained from the war in Iraq?
Anyone can start answering. I’d love to hear it.
1:57 pm [ Quote ]
Oh, and as for the lies about WMD, here’s a photo of my hubby sitting on Saddam’s throne in his main Baghdad palace. Note the mural filled with WMD in back of the throne. Chances are Saddam never thought the US would see that!
http://www.johnnyproctor.com/sqsp2/thronelarge.jpg
(accompanying story:)
http://amyproctor.squarespace.com/blog/2005/12/28/a-soldiers-account-of-wmd-from-saddams-perspective.html
Sorry to infultrate your comment area, Ian. Just had to get it out. Thanks.
2:05 pm [ Quote ]
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2:48 pm [ Quote ]
Of course O’Reilly is going to deny being a friend of the Bush administration, but after watching so many of his shows there is no way I would buy that. He certainly wants to be perceived as an independent thinking mind since that would give him more credibility. Instead he has become a joke.
3:19 pm [ Quote ]
Kevin, it’s funny cause some people say the heart head thing when compaing liberals and conservatives, but remember too the liberals get accused of being overly educated and elitist that way. And Bush
is suppose to be the regular guy, not uppity like a John Kerry. So no, I don’t buy that line. I read like no one else, I know economics, I use my head. Hey who botched Iraq post invasion? Not the liberals.
3:20 pm [ Quote ]
He’s definitely right of center on most issues. He’s just not a staunch supporter of Bush like Hugh Hewitt or Hannity is.
He’s hardly a joke though. He’s too arrogant (much like his nemesis Franken), but he’s pretty good at getting his point across, and I agree with a lot of it. I could see how you would not appreciate him much if you are a liberal though.
4:41 pm [ Quote ]
The person on this thread who has the most credibility is Amy Proctor. Thank you Amy for your informed insight.
5:45 pm [ Quote ]
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6:16 pm [ Quote ]
Unletteredman…
I’ve been a fan of David Letterman for a long time. I don’t even remember the last time I saw his show, but he still cracks me up whenever I see him. He has an extremely high comic intelligence (and…...
6:41 pm [ Quote ]
The Political Teen seems to not have been paying much attention in her English grammar classes.
It’s funny how you view something through the lens of your own beliefs. When I saw that clip, I thought that Letterman cleaned O’Reilly’s clock. It could be that a good portion of what O’Reilly says IS crap (I’d put the percentage why over 80%), so there seemed to be a lot of self-parody going on there.
However much the wingnuts want to latch on to the comment, they are missing the point that Letterman is just a hell of a lot more subtle than O’Reilly. You see, it’s not the statement of “I’m not smart enough to debate you point by point” that is important, it is the pairing of that statement with “60% of what you say is crap”.
If you think about it for one minute, you’ll remember that the most infuriating person to argue with is the one who throws out pseudofacts at such a high rate that you can’t keep up with them. If you argue them point by point, you just get bogged down in minutae. Once you disprove one of that person’s facts, that person just says “I’ve got a million of them”.
I HAVE watched “The Factor”. It was hard to stand. But I’ll bet you that if I could be bothered to got through what BS Bill had to say on his show, you’d find that over 60% is crap.
Point Letterman
6:53 pm [ Quote ]
From S Dude- “It’s funny how you view something through the lens of your own beliefs. When I saw that clip, I thought that Letterman cleaned O’Reilly’s clock.”
Those glasses damn sure fit your statement girl!
God bless our troops
6:54 pm [ Quote ]
However much the wingnuts want to latch on to the comment, they are missing the point that Letterman is just a
Of course, we’re all quite aware of that brilliant retort to someone who cites several facts or items in support of an argument.
One simply says, “Well, I can’t respond to you point by point but you’re full of crap.”
Magnificent response. A clear winner.
A winner, that is, if the judge has, not just his thumbs, but his entire elbow on the scales.
7:23 pm [ Quote ]
As an exercise, I think it would be fun to go through a transcript of a factor show and quantify just what percentage of what Bill says is, in fact, crap.
7:38 pm [ Quote ]
O’Reilly: 60% crap…
Depending who you ask, either talk radio host Bill O’Reilly had his hat handed to him by talk TV host David Letterman last night or Letterman conceded that he was too dumb to argue with O’Reilly. The high (low?) point came when Letterman t…
7:57 pm [ Quote ]
show and quantify just what percentage of what Bill says is, in fact, crap.
Well, Letterman will never know since he admits he “never watches the show.”
And he “can’t respond point-by-point to O’Reilly’s arguments”.
Other than, people think Letterman won this little tussle.
Oy.
9:10 pm [ Quote ]
O'Reilly v. Letterman…
I'm not much of a fan of either of them, but it's an interesting debate, nonetheless.
...
11:03 pm [ Quote ]
Classic classic classic. Anyone that uses the word liberal needs to read.
11:54 pm [ Quote ]
The Late Show…
Someone lost the argument on the war in iraq but it’s not clear who. Letterman is a good talker and he’s charismatic, but I also realize he’s a bullshit artist. O’Reilly is a staunch conservative and a fan of history,......
12:44 am [ Quote ]
LETTERMAN & O’REILLY…
I am NOT a fan of Bill O’Reilly and until now I did enjoy David Letterman. This particular exchange has changed everything…well, at least now I no longer respect David Letterman. After all, anyone that can defend Cindy Sheehan’s conduct…...
1:52 am [ Quote ]
Bill O’Reilly Vs. David Letterman…
Bill O’Reilly appeared on the David Letterman show in what appeared to be a simple ratings move. O’Reilly went over a couple points that the troops are noble and that Cindy Sheehan calling terrorists “freedom fighters” was simply wrong. Letterman…..
11:53 am [ Quote ]
...Next Stupid Question?...
An enquiring mind wants to know: “Why no coverage of O’Reilly destroying Letterman?” That the televised tete-a-tete between Bill O’Reilly and David Letterman successfully captured the pinhead imaginings of the political blogosphere did not escape o…
3:02 pm [ Quote ]
Carolm, I think the education of liberals adds to the evidence that liberals think with hearts and conservatives think with brains rather than detracts from it. Remember, noone is accusing liberals of having too much hard science education (such as engineering, chemistry, physics, etc). These are studies that have very little to do with feelings. Graduates in these fields are notoriously conservative.
Rather, when one thinks of an ‘elitist’ college liberal, I would guess that they are majoring in a soft science (sociology, psychology, philosophy, political science) where feelings are very important. It is much less common to see a conservative in these ranks.
Hey, I’m posting under a Wonkette trackback! She’s cute when your lips are sealed
8:05 pm [ Quote ]
I stand with Amy Proctor.
As a retired military officer, with friends killed in the Pentagon on 9/11 and contemporaries serving today in Iraq, I was unimpressed by Letterman’s uninformed, poorly prepared dialogue.
It is insufficient to simply express distain for an opposing view, as he did. Vigorous debate was not in evidence that night.
10:48 pm [ Quote ]
I salute you, jbyrd!
9:44 am [ Quote ]
Bill O’riley is a self-proclaimed patriot. But honestly all he really is I guess you would say is a racist and a bigot. I am very grateful that someone has finally stood up to him on public television and made it clear to the world that he is 100% worlthless opinions and he himself is made up of 60% crap. I guess taht you can get my point from what I am saying. I loved the fact that he can complain about the grieving process of a parent who has lost a child but he cant compare his life to it at all because he would not allow any of his children to join the military he will call us patriots and that we should be praised but why dont he come and join us and see what it is all about.
9:46 am [ Quote ]
I keep seening references to a mythical brain the right wing is supposed to posess-is that the lizard’s type rattling around those empty skulls I hear every time you move around>
Having an intellignet discussion means hanving somebody intelligent to talk to and it certainly doesn’t include you’ll lovers of a phone talking sexual pervert who pulls his so-called facts out of his ass. He just tells you everything your ugly little souls like to hear and believe. Not to mention the fact that he’s a bloviating thug and a bully-your kind of guy exactly.
Over come bias-the right wing is the definition of bias! If you’re white (and willing gelded) you’re right-isn’t that the drift of your philosophy.
And a Pentagon officer? Like the ones who blew it in Vietnam? The only thing they’re good for is handing out medals to each other. support of a racist, illegal war by a cabal lost any respect I had for the military from day one. what the fuck, we went into this jacass’s war with a great military and we’re going to leave it with a rotten, weakened and useless one. Good going guys!
The filthy rich rulling class has certainly succeeded in producing a race of morons, imbeciles and stoodges. The willing Castrati.
10:57 am [ Quote ]
...I keep seening references
...supposed to posess
... an intellignet discussion means hanving
...include you’ll lovers
...this jacass’s war
...The filthy rich rulling class
...morons, imbeciles and stoodges
Invest in a spell checker, cynic, especially if you are going to deride those with whom you disagree as not being “intellignet”.
As to your argument, what little of one there is, it’s a purely unsophisticated rant, full of ad hominem. I had arguments like this in the third grade. It’s akin to, “Oh yeah? Well you suck!”
Letterman is so past it. He’s awfully bad-tempered to be a talk show host. Not that O’Reilly was all that great. Bill is very good on the Factor where he can prep for his guests, but on his radio show or in a situation like this where he’s not the moderator and can’t anticipate everything, he’s barely above average. Still, he beat Letterman down…not that that’s all that difficult. All Dave could say was, “I don’t believe you,” and “I think 60% of what you say is crap.” He and cynic are cut from the same cloth, at least when it comes to substantive discourse.
I wonder if Dave knows the proper way to spell “stoodges”?
Once again, conservatives offer logic and reason, liberals offer insult and sophistry.
12:32 pm [ Quote ]
Elvis is smarter than me, because I could not even find an argument in cynic’s post
It’s sad that honda appreciates Letterman calling O’Reilly’s views 60% crap while admitting to not even knowing what those views are. Letterman’s statement is a perfect example of group-think, and honda is applauding it.
It’s tough to have a meaningful exchange with liberals when so many of them think in this way. Not all, just a lot.
12:48 pm [ Quote ]
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1:35 pm [ Quote ]
Hey Kevin How can a military minded person whom has been involved in these combat operations more than once on his own accord, that O’shithead like to preach about be left winged let alone right winged think for yourself stop being a sheep. maybe you should get off your fat ass and join the military yourself bitch.
4:57 pm [ Quote ]
“Bill O’riley is a self-proclaimed patriot. But honestly all he really is I guess you would say is a racist and a bigot.”
What statements and/or positions has O’Reilly made or taken that lead you to believe he is racist and a bigot? Please tell.
10:08 pm [ Quote ]
How about when he asked a black man why he encourages his people to shoot each other. sorry maybe he is just a fukig idiot. if i offended you good thank you and fuck you very much!
10:09 am [ Quote ]
Yeah…you’ve got nothing…just as I figured.
6:23 am [ Quote ]
yeah maybe so, at least in your mind, how long have you had the three brain-cell disease?
1:37 pm [ Quote ]
Some very intelligent debate there george48honda…you have to be a intellectual midget. Not sure where you got that “How about when he asked a black man why he encourages his people to shoot each other” comment but I would be willing to bet that it was taken WAY out of context and you probably also do not watch Mr O’Reilly often enough to offer any kind of credible criticism in the first place.
1:04 pm [ Quote ]
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[...] The interview began with O’Reilly’s apparent hate of Cindy Sheehan and what he said on Letterman a few weeks ago. Not surprisingly, Deutsch defended Sheehan because her son died and it is her first amendment right to say whatever she wants. You would assume that he would have the same thoughts O’Reilly’s first amendment rights, but you would be wrong. You know how Orwell said it, all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. [...]
4:01 pm [ Quote ]
From Jihadgene-”The topics discussed were the war in Iraq and how one in the public eye can verbally either hurt, or support, our troops. AR is attempting to do a leftie U-turn into oncoming traffic!”
Oh no! Someone disagrees with you! Better give them a label, like “leftie”, then not answer their main points!
Phew! That was close!
9:44 am [ Quote ]
Why do CON’s like killing so much?
Oh that’s right save the unborn, but it’s okay to kill the children of Iraq. It’s all about profit and greed for the 1%. Stupid is as Stupid follows, wake up America and figure out our future is in jeopardy because of the money being spent on the war to make a few rich
In the words of Red on That 70’s Show….DUMBASS!