September 24, 2005
Mother Sheehan just can’t stop talking. In fact when she was told her time was up, she replied “I’m almost done”.
Some notable quotes:
“Whewwwwwwwww.”
“This is amazing.”
“You’re apart of history.”
“Pat youself on the back.”
“Thank you for being here.”
“Thank you, I love you.”
DOWNLOAD and view video here.
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7:04 pm [ Quote ]
A DAY AMONG THE MOONBATS
I spent the afternoon at Sheehanapalooza in D.C. under overcast skies, in a haze of hemp-scented paranoia, steeped with fetid Bush hatred. Am uploading a bunch of photos of moonbats in action at my Flickr site. Here’s a sample: The…
8:13 pm [ Quote ]
You have to admire Michelle M. I don’t think I could shower enough after an all day exposure to so many lice infested government parasites, and people in need of re-joining the real world.
8:20 pm [ Quote ]
Liveblogging the war protests
Saturday in DC: Photoblogging the left and right, deconstructing hype, but mainly, remembering what Groucho said about protesters.
9:29 pm [ Quote ]
I know I will irritate liberals by saying this, but I often wonder why those females leading the women’s movement and women like Sheehan shooting off her mouth, are always such unpleasant, dare I say it, ugly women?
Even though the picture showed probably far less than 50,000 weirdo’s at this event, the liberal media had to hype the numbers to pretend Cindy had some credibility.
I can only feel sad about her son, a man who gave his life that others might live in liberty, a young man who willingly gave the last full measure of his devotion to this country, fighting on foreign soil. His mother is dishonoring his memory, she is turning her back on his sacrifice and standing upon his dead body that she might relive her anti-Vietnam war hippie days in the Sixties. She cannot honestly claim to love her son when she publicly denies everything he believed in, everything he lived and died for. How much love has she? She is traveling the country dishonoring his memory while his grave doesn’t even have a gravestone to mark his resting place. Lord, what a pig she is!
I know this will make you pinko’s angry, but I have no sympathy for her as a mother who lost her son in war, she doesn’t give a damn about him, only her own massive ego!
9:33 pm [ Quote ]
Thanks for the video! Very nice.
I just got back from the protests an hour or so ago. I was with the counter-protesters, not to worry! We had a decent turnout and let the lefties know that they didn’t have the day all to themselves. But thanks for the video
9:48 pm [ Quote ]
The Bush war was an farce, an evil farce.
http://war.asadi.org
10:05 pm [ Quote ]
m.asadi: “The Bush war was an farce, an evil farce.”
Farce: The style of comic drama in which authority, order, and morality are at risk and ordinary people are caught up in extraordinary things.
Asadi – So what you are really saying is that deposing a vicious, murderous dictator, taking the fight to the murderous Islamic terrorists, liberating millions of Iraqi’s, lighting the fires of Democracy in a region of the world that has only know cruelty at the hands of tyrants, and through those changes to fight and die for peace in the Middle East are all part of a comic drama?
I can only say that you have a perverse view of the world and I can only assume you are an ardent supporter of the filthy terrorists in Iraq, the murder bombers in Palestine, and any American hating Muslim. Perhaps you feel bad that on 9/11 the murder score was so low?
10:46 pm [ Quote ]
[...] They are the few and the scruffy, our peaceniks. Half a dozen of them, or maybe tens of thousands, showed up to………to do what exactly? Listen to Cindy Sheehan, or Jesse Jackson or Ramsey Clark. How boring is that? Reuters tried to portray the current march as a big deal, stating that there were 100,000 people in attendance, but offering zero justification for the number. Then Reuters upped the ante: The crowds swelled throughout the day, and by late afternoon organizers of the anti-war demonstration said 300,000 people had assembled — exceeding an anticipated 100,000. Washington police declined to comment on the size of the rally. [...]
11:42 pm [ Quote ]
Democracy- you know nothing about, you’re part of a highly propagandized “mass society”- a cheerful robot happy in your bondage, repeating the same old platitudes, ignoring the over 40,000 people who die of preventible disease or starvation because of corporate greed. Shame on you
http://robots.asadi.org
11:47 pm [ Quote ]
that 40,000 figure is 40,000 every single day, comes to 14,600,000- fourteen million six hundred thousand every year. Now you know who the REAL mass killers are. The corporate world system that you all are supporting.
http://ghetto.rationalreality.com
11:48 pm [ Quote ]
[...] Malkin has photos. PoliticalTeen has video of the Sheehan speech. [...]
11:56 pm [ Quote ]
For God’s sake…what is this woman doing on TV??? Notice the absence of her family…. What an embarrassment to her sons life and honorable death. Does she need money this bad??? I think someone needs to lift up her son and honor his sacrifice. As a retired vet (Army) I wouldn’t wish another war on anyone. No one should go through what millions of us did without due cause. Oh by the way, DON’T THANK ME FOR MY SERVICE…let me thank you for allowing me the opportunity to serve. It was an honor. When I look at my daughters and grand daughter I know it was worth it. Thanks.
John Danforth
SFC USA (ret)
12:03 am [ Quote ]
Sunday Funnies
Ogre finds out his Elfin and Hobbit name. By the way, my Hobbit name is Olo Loamsdown of Deephallow, and my Elf name is Findecáno Carnesîr. To find out your Hobbit name go here. And for your Elf name, go here. He also does a great job on the New…
12:27 am [ Quote ]
Protest Freaks
I watched C-SPAN’s coverage of CindyFest 2005. These goofs couldn’t help themselves. The protest was suppose to be against…
12:40 am [ Quote ]
Umnumzana, Have you ever asked yourself why did Bush pick THIS particular murderous dictator to overthrow? We have in fact put murderous dictators in power in the past.
There were no terrorists in Iraq until we drew them there. They seem to find us irresistible.
We don’t know how many Iraqis will be left alive to enjoy their liberty. To me it looks like we’ve got ourselves a civil war that could see millions die simply because they have the weapons to do it. If Saddam killed hundreds of thousands how many more will the civil war kill?
At least Tyrants will leave you alone if you quietly go about your business. Not so today. The Green Zone is the only “liberated” place in Iraq. Even there they must wear flak jackets. Otherwise, anyone who leaves his house takes his life in his hands.
The Iraq government just lost 1 billion dollars; the entire military budget!
600 million in infrastructure money is missing!
29 months later! Some liberty.
12:51 am [ Quote ]
John Danforth
Sheehan thinks she is honoring her son by fighting for peace in the best way she knows how. It may not be your way but then you didn’t lose a daughter in THIS war. Is an optional war “due cause”?
1:20 am [ Quote ]
I stumbled upon, by pure chance, the protest in Los Angeles. So I hung around for half an hour and took some pictures:
Click here
1:29 am [ Quote ]
Human Beings don’t torture other human beings
It’s torture enough listening to Cindy Sheehan speak, let alone scream into a microphone. If she is opposed to torture, maybe she should just go away. Check out her rant at The Political Teen….
1:30 am [ Quote ]
Sheehan thinks…thats a great concept. I spent 20 years in the Army and fought in another little conflict you don’t know about, and was spit on by a Sheehan type. Her SON was a volunteer…in fact he reenlisted to serve another 4 years knowing the risks. The Army isn’t a jobs program, or a cool way to earn money for college. The Army has one mission…
Sheehan is a media whore. Fact, she met with Bush last year and had no problems with the visit. Mr. Bush is pictured kissing her on the cheek. What changed…
the left (who supported Bosnia, Somalia) with no complaints are using her for POLITICAL REASONS.
By the way if my daughters Choose to join they have my support, and they like Casey, understand the risks. But I would never use their deaths to attack the government I ACTUALLY served. Your welcome for my efforts to support your right to free speech.
1:36 am [ Quote ]
Steve
There were no terrorists in Iraq until we drew them there. They seem to find us irresistible.
Holy Shit don’t tell the Kurds that. You remember the ones he killed with that poison gas,a weapon of mass destruction that isn’t there. I guess those mass graves were just an effort to save gasoline, and reduce greenhouse gases, because Saddam is responsible citizen of the world.
3:36 am [ Quote ]
[...] Michelle Malkin has some more photos and MORE of the Washington event. The Political Teen has video of Cindy Sheehan’s speech. I have video clips of Sheehan, Cynthia McKinney, and the death cries of the moonbats on my Treo 650, which I’ll be attempting to upload later tonight. [...]
7:07 am [ Quote ]
Protest/Counterprotest Photoblogging
By all accounts the march on Washington was a failure. From legion and diverse camera angles on C-SPAN my friends estimated no more than a couple thousand. The march in San Francisco—which provided the wire photo the Associated Press has…
8:40 am [ Quote ]
“There were no terrorists in Iraq until we drew them there.”
That’s an incredibly stupid thing to say, considering what Omar and Mohammed have said about Iraq being a virtual concentration camp above ground and mass graves below ground before we went in to “liberate” them (reference Iraq the Model).
But that statement reflects a typical Stalinist denial of what happens under a murdering dictator; instead you try to paint it as a utopian paradise.
Here is a video of just some of the crimes Saddam perpetrated against his own people, I suggest you take a really good look at it.
The 2-year beheading of women campaign was also an incredible terrorist campaign committed against the Iraqi people—committed by Saddam’s men in brown (Saddam was raised by his Uncle, a Nazi, and Saddam was and is an admirer of Hitler and a Stalinist)—the Fedayeen Saddam (Saddam’s “Men of Sacrifice”). They would make a public display of these beheadings and stick the head on a pole outside of the house to humiliate the families…and the heads were not to be removed.
Saddam had approximately 40 of his own relatives murdered. Allegations of prostitution were used to intimidate opponents of the regime and were used by the regime to justify the barbaric beheading of women (reference above). There have been documented chemical attacks by the regime, from 1983 to 1988, resulting in some 30,000 Iraqi and Iranian deaths.
Human Rights Watch estimates that Saddam’s 1987-1988 campaign of terror against the Kurds killed at least 50,000 and possibly as many as 100,000 Kurds. The Iraqi regime used chemical agents to include mustard gas and nerve agents in attacks against at least 40 Kurdish villages between 1987-1988. The largest was the attack on Halabja which resulted in approximately 5,000 deaths. 2,000 Kurdish villages were destroyed during the campaign of terror.
Iraq’s 13 million Shi’a Muslims, the majority of Iraq’s population of approximately 22 million, face severe restrictions on their religious practice, including a ban on communal Friday prayer, and restriction on funeral processions.
According to Human Rights Watch, “senior Arab diplomats told the London-based Arabic daily newspaper al-Hayat in October [1991] that Iraqi leaders were privately acknowledging that 250,000 people were killed during the uprisings, with most of the casualties in the south.” Refugees International reports that
“Oppressive government policies led to the internal displacement of 900,000 Iraqis, primarily Kurds who fled to the north to escape Saddam Hussein’s Arabization campaigns (which involve forcing Kurds to renounce their Kurdish identity or lose their property) and Marsh Arabs, who fled the government’s campaign to dry up the southern marshes for agricultural use. More than 200,000 Iraqis continued to live as refugees in Iran.”
In 2002, the U.S. Committee for Refugees estimated that nearly 100,000 Kurds, Assyrians, and Turkomans had previously been expelled, by the regime, from the “central-government-controlled Kirkuk and surrounding districts in the oil-rich region bordering the Kurdish controlled north.”
“Over the past five years, 400,000 Iraqi children under the age of five died of malnutrition and disease, preventively, but died because of the nature of the regime under which they are living.” (Prime Minister Tony Blair, March 27, 2003) Under the oil-for-food program, the international community sought to make available to the Iraqi people adequate supplies of food and medicine, but the regime blocked sufficient access for international workers to ensure proper distribution of these supplies. Since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, coalition forces have discovered military warehouses filled with food supplies meant for the Iraqi people that had been diverted by Iraqi military forces.
After the Americans liberated Iraq, Iraqis—kurds and others started flooding back INTO the country. That should tell you a lot about what it was like living under that regime, but you can read more over at Iraq the Model and other Iraqi bloggers in their blogroll about how Iraqis feel about being liberated from Saddam’s despotism.
9:00 am [ Quote ]
I’ve been looking into the protest in London Saturday and, as well as not being able to muster enough marchers to fill a bath, it appears the only parents of soldiers willing to speak out against the war didn’t even lose their kids in Iraq. Pathetic.
10:08 am [ Quote ]
Asadi: You said, “Democracy- you know nothing about, you’re part of a highly propagandized “mass society”- a cheerful robot happy in your bondage, repeating the same old platitudes, ignoring the over 40,000 people who die of preventable disease or starvation because of corporate greed.”
So, I should become part of a tyrannical Islamic theocracy and then I’ll be happy? Let us face facts pal, it appears you are an enemy of the United States, a friend of terrorists and of no value to society!
10:21 am [ Quote ]
I wonder if al qaeda drew their conclusion that americans are weak from looking at a motly crew like them and felt they could attack us with ease and win. Who said-all it takes for evil to win is for good men to do nothing.
10:24 am [ Quote ]
Donohue: Ask the people of Iraq if they are better off now, even with all their problems during this critical time, or better off under Saddam. Liberty is new to them, they are just on the doorstep, ask them if they want this chance at freedom or would they prefer to go back living under your favorite tyrant Saddam!
Why did Bush pick this particular dictator to overthrow? (1) Virtually all the world intelligence agencies said he had weapons of mass destruction, he used them in the past and his actions during U.N. Inspections made it appear he still had them. (2) His friendship with terrorists, Zarqawi being a guest in Iraq and the evidence of WMD’s made it critical to U.S., European and Israeli interests that he be disarmed. (3) He was actively, financially supporting Hamas and other terrorist organizations killing Israeli’s. (4) He was a mass murderer of his own people and had waged war against Iran and Kuwait thus threatening to destabilize the region. (5) The reasons are long and together they demanded the President take action or face impeachment for failing in his duties to defend America.
Civil War: That may happen, I don’t know and neither do you. But considering the threat of Saddam and the hopes for democracy spreading in the Middle East and thereby world peace, it was well worth the risk and the lost lives.
“Some people see things as they are and they ask why, others dream of things that never were and ask why not?” Liberals see tyrants and murderous terrorists as they are and they say “why” not appease them, why not give them what they want so they will leave us alone, oh and to hell with the people they are butchering. Bush saw democracy and peace in the Middle East which did not exit and he said – “why not?” His bold dream and his confrontation of the terrorists seems bad politics now, but history will call him a great visionary, a man of peace and a great President. At the bottom of history’s list we will see Clinton with his “who who” in an interns mouth and up America’s butt!
12:26 pm [ Quote ]
Mizz Sheehan, your time is up
Answer: “I’m almost done.” Video: here….
1:19 pm [ Quote ]
I never said Saddam was a saint. I don’t understand how several of you missed my statement that “Saddam killed hundreds of thousands”. So I think if you want to help the Kurds you should have stopped Reagan and Rumsfeld in the 80’s. But I guess selective attention to the facts is nothing new.
In truth, it was selective attention to the facts that got us in to Iraq.
It it well known that the facts for going into Iraq “had to be fixed” because they were NOT as clear as some on the Right still claim.
What is clear is that the “monster” Saddam was a monster WE FED, chemicals, munitions and intel in the 80’s when he was murdering Kurds and at war with Iran.
The reason we had such difficulty getting big name allies is because they knew this war was being trumped up. The inspectors were in Iraq searching. They had tremendous success after the first Iraq conflict and they were looking again. Bush was in an awful hurry to get into Iraq. He knew the longer the inspectors were there finding nothing the harder it would be to make their case stick.
The U.S. knew Saddam’s strength was a small fraction of what it was. They had been blockading the country for a decade. They knew he was no threat. They also knew he had to keep his enemies guessing to keep himself in power. So the tiger must never be found out to be toothless because then he is easy picking.
But we knew, that is why Tenet said it would be a “slam dunk”.
What we weren’t informed of is that America would have to occupy Iraq for the long term.
Saddam was supporting Hamas by sending $25000 to suicide families. But so are other Arabs, again in Saudi Arabia, that terrorist breeding ground for 15 of the WTC terrorists. But lets give them a pass shall we. Yes, and we’ll send two plane loads of Saudis back immediately after 9/11. Doesn’t this whole thing smell just a little bit???
Civil war is happening. The only reason it is relatively muted is because of the American troops. The insurgents must keep their heads down or they get bombed.
Whether it will be a democracy is still a large question. Theocracy is a definite possibility. So is another dictatorship.
When you have created a mess, as we have, and the American people are clearly losing patience with the inept handling of the war, America may be forced to leave Iraq in a less than ideal conditions for Democracy to occur.
It is not a matter of appeasement it is a matter of diplomacy. In the end it is diplomacy that will solve problems not war.
Diplomacy solves problems every day, big ones too.
The real question is,Why did Bush insist on going in to Iraq in spite of the fact that the vast majority of countries saw no immediate threat???
1:31 pm [ Quote ]
Sheehan, Your Time is Up
Being in Iraq I haven’t had the opportunity to do more than read about Cindy Sheehan, but now, having seen her speak….why is she so popular? She certainly isn’t eloquent. There wasn’t a single word that came from her lips
1:53 pm [ Quote ]
Steve Donohue: This time you offered a fairly well reasoned argument, so I will try to be short and to the point:
“I never said Saddam was a saint. I don’t understand how several of you missed my statement that “Saddam killed hundreds of thousands”. So I think if you want to help the Kurds you should have stopped Reagan and Rumsfeld in the 80’s. But I guess selective attention to the facts is nothing new.” We have always had, in every administration played nice with terrible dictators, at the time it made sense to our leaders and other democratic leaders in the world.
“In truth, it was selective attention to the facts that got us in to Iraq.
It it well known that the facts for going into Iraq “had to be fixed” because they were NOT as clear as some on the Right still claim. What is clear is that the “monster” Saddam was a monster WE FED, chemicals, munitions and intel in the 80’s when he was murdering Kurds and at war with Iran.” Steve every President, every leader are selective about the facts they use, they have to be, but I do not agree that any of these facts were “fixed,” that is only your liberal, conspiracy theory mindset.
“The reason we had such difficulty getting big name allies is because they knew this war was being trumped up. The inspectors were in Iraq searching. They had tremendous success after the first Iraq conflict and they were looking again. Bush was in an awful hurry to get into Iraq. He knew the longer the inspectors were there finding nothing the harder it would be to make their case stick.” Of course I disagree with your analysis entirely. The French and Germans and the Russians were violating the sanctions and were doing business with Iraq in violation of those United Nations Sanctions, thus they have no moral high ground to occupy. Bush was in a rush to get in because, based on the intelligence data and the decades long delays by the weak sister, anti-America United nations, he genuinely felt times were of the essence. You disagree? That’s okay, that doesn’t make you right and your partisan hatred of Bush has tainted your objectivity!
“The U.S. knew Saddam’s strength was a small fraction of what it was. They had been blockading the country for a decade. They knew he was no threat. They also knew he had to keep his enemies guessing to keep himself in power. So the tiger must never be found out to be toothless because then he is easy picking.” See above about knowing he was no threat and Europe’s motivations.
“But we knew, that is why Tenet said it would be a “slam dunk”.” Nonsense! Bush said from before the war it would be a long, hard fight!
“What we weren’t informed of is that America would have to occupy Iraq for the long term.” Bush said it, you weren’t listening, deliberately so, because you hate the man!
“Saddam was supporting Hamas by sending $25000 to suicide families. But so are other Arabs, again in Saudi Arabia, that terrorist breeding ground for 15 of the WTC terrorists. But lets give them a pass shall we. Yes, and we’ll send two plane loads of Saudis back immediately after 9/11. Doesn’t this whole thing smell just a little bit?” No, I don’t give them a pass and I am not happy that Clinton, Bush and others have so long tolerated Saudi Arabia’s nonsense, but on the other hand, had we gotten tougher and oil prices went up because of their actions, the President in power of either party would have been soundly kicked out of office! Americans, especially liberals are not willing to sacrifice anything at all to do what is right, like you and Iraq!
“Civil war is happening. The only reason it is relatively muted is because of the American troops. The insurgents must keep their heads down or they get bombed.
Whether it will be a democracy is still a large question. Theocracy is a definite possibility. So is another dictatorship.” You may be right about civil war, it is yet to be known for sure, and whether it will be a democracy or theocracy is also open to question. I hope you are wrong on all counts. I still say it was worth the costs considering what positive things might happen!
“When you have created a mess, as we have, and the American people are clearly losing patience with the inept handling of the war, America may be forced to leave Iraq in a less than ideal conditions for Democracy to occur.” Actually, I blame Bush for not selling his plan there better, for not being on television more often explaining his policies, and not being transparent about the risks/costs. I get quite angry at him for this failure. As to the plan and creating a mess, it is all in the eye of the beholder, from all I read and hear, while the terrorists are doing quite a bit of damage in their murder raids, otherwise I believe things are proceeding much better than could be reasonably expected and on course for victory there over the next 12-24 months.
“It is not a matter of appeasement it is a matter of diplomacy. In the end it is diplomacy that will solve problems not war. Diplomacy solves problems every day, big ones too.” Too liberals this word diplomacy always means appeasement, unilateral surrender to our enemies, never fighting no matter what the provocation. If you think diplomacy will ever stop these Islamic terrorists you are indeed living in fantasy land. They will never – ever stop, unless we get completely out of every country they want to rule in the world and eventually bow down to Allah.
“The real question is,Why did Bush insist on going in to Iraq in spite of the fact that the vast majority of countries saw no immediate threat?” As I said those other European countries you liberals love so much were profiting from the Economic sanctions and by doing so supporting terror, they can go to hell every damn one of them, especially France those damn back stabbing ingrates!
4:53 pm [ Quote ]
Umnumzana
American companies were involved in the oil for food scandal so I suspect they were selling things one way or the other to Iraq. If you can’t sell directly you use dummy companys or third parties. Its done all the time. Capitalism will be done.
Just like IBM and GM and others were selling product to the Nazis during WWII.
By “fixing the facts” to go into Iraq I was refering to the Downing Street Memo. This leaked British document proves that even the British knew this Iraq invasion excuse needed to be “worked” on the American people.
Bush said the WAR ON TERROR would be a long fight. I don’t remember ever reading BEFORE the war, Bush saying the war in Iraq would be long and hard. I haven’t been able to find anything from Bush that claims it was going to be a long occupation of Iraq. I will continue to look.
There is a point of disagreement. I don’t believe that Bush would have taken a hit for pouncing on the Saudis. After all, basically this was a Saudi based terrorist group. Americans would have understood completely. 9/11 had just occured. Bush was at 90% in the polls. No, there is more here than meets the eye.
Clinton took criticism for firing missles at Bin Laden
while Bush can attack two countries after 9/11. That is a tremendous sea change.
Diplomacy doesn’t stop terror per say but even terrorists have to live somewhere. That somewhere is a country where by diplomatic means pressure of different kinds can be exerted. Especially if you can get the U.N. to support your goals.
Diplomacy may have solved the North Korean problem.
Diplomacy doesn’t alienate, anger and kill like war does. Yet it can accomplish more if you have the patience and find the right levers.
Those other European countries that you have such an irrational hatred for are our allies. We just have to learn not to be such a big bully. Just because we don’t get our way all the time doesn’t mean we have lost our national virility. Conservatives are far too anxious to pound people who differ into submission. That is not the way ultimately, to get anything except a lot of hollow victories. Like Iraq for instance.
5:07 pm [ Quote ]
Steve Donohue: As usual you present your side of the issues quite well. In that, to the degree you state facts, they are hard to outright deny, though they are incomplete facts to a great degree. That is why discourse on these issues is quite difficult, there are more than set of facts for each issue and several reasonable ways to interpret them.
I wasn’t talking about Saudi Arabia after 9/11, and so my point about the political pitfalls, I believe, are still relevant. Yes, immediately after with his high approval ratings, he probably could have stood up to the Saud’s without much problem, but even then when the oil/gas supplies fell off and prices shot up, don’t you think his rating would have fallen pretty fast. After all, Americans are not very good at sacrifices at home.
I say conservatives are strong and passionate about defending America, you say they are bullies. So, partisanship will always decide this question. I’m sorry but American diplomacy in my experience has always been a form of appeasement, unilateral surrender, weakness and our country usually pays heavily for that diplomacy.
Anyway, I appreciate your views on this!
5:46 pm [ Quote ]
mitz: How sad! A few thousand traitors gather together to sing songs and do all they can to make sure more soldiers die and their friends the murderous Islamic terrorists survive. That is something great to laugh about!
Bush did the right thing and many thousands of brave soldiers went to war to deliver millions of Iraqi’s from the hands of a murderous dictator, many have died and many more have been wounded, and your side is giving aid and comfort the the enemies of the United States and the free world. That is, what makes you a damnable traitor!
6:11 pm [ Quote ]
[...] The Political Teen has Moonbat’s on Parade. A must see video that shows Sheehan doesn’t know when to shut up. Oh, and you gotta see the Top Secret Rovian Weather Machine! [...]
6:40 pm [ Quote ]
Come on Umnumzana, to protest is American. The day an American can’t protest is the end of America.
Mits is right about support for the war its hit rock bottom.
Look at his attempt to raise private funds to support his Iraq efforts:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1577750,00.html
This result also shows a sad level of response from ALL Americans especially his supporters who appear to have abandoned him in his hour of greatest need.
6:46 pm [ Quote ]
steve:
You’re right in theory, however these people are “professional protesters”.
7:00 pm [ Quote ]
Steve Donohue: You are only repeating what I have said many, many times in my postings on the war and the protest movement: To protest an elected official, program or policy or anything is as American as Apple Pie, and in the best spirit of our Founding Fathers. Is that finally clear, can you please let that issue alone!
I have also said that this is a unique enemy, an enemy living in our country and in most countries of the world, an enemy that will never agree to negotiate anything, they will never – ever quit! This is a global religious war! This is a war we have never experienced before, and the complaint I have is not that Americans protest the war, but that by not making it clear at their protests that they oppose the terrorists and their methods, and that even though they disagree with Iraq, they still support America and not the terrorists; they are, whether intentionally or not, giving aid and comfort to our enemies and encouraging the terrorists in their killing of American soldiers. So, please get off my back that I am against protests, it is just that in this peculiar war, I believe it is a danger to our soldiers in the field and it will result in more attacks here at home.
I don’t have to prove my statement that these protests encourage the enemy, it is, in my opinion, a self evident fact; as an America I have a right to my beliefs and whether you agree with them or not, I also have a Constitutional right to protest and work against the efforts of the protesters – that is American as well.
I know the left doesn’t like it Steve, but Free Speech is not the sole right of the left – we conservatives, even though you hate our guts, even those of us who have fought for liberty are scum to the left, we do have a right to protest the protesters and you should defend that right!
8:32 pm [ Quote ]
Ian, really, 100,000 professional protesters??
Umnumzana I said it is American to protest. Republicans are a peculiar type of American
but American nontheless.
Believe me there is nothing we can do in America that will encourage them as much as our actions abroad. It is our actions abroad that have brought this on and will continue to feed it (or not).
Just as the American people need to be motivated to hate or fight. (ie Pearl Harbor, 9/11) The Muslims are no different.
Something was sticking in their craw to motivate them, or to be predisposed to be motivated. We need to understand them, find out what is driving their hatred and defuse it. You are not going to kill 1 billion Muslims.
8:44 pm [ Quote ]
Steve Donohue: How can you understand blind hatred and religious extremism that has caused the Arabs and Jews to hate and fight each other for centuries? I don’t say the following to be condescending or rude, but you will never understand what drives these people, and the only thing that will ever satisfy them and end their hate is absolute victory. You should study Islam’s history, honestly, not just Muslim propaganda, this movement is beyond all human reason and control.
How about this for diffusing their hatred and desire to murder: let us all join together and kill all Jews on earth, and since I have some Jewish blood I’ll kill myself, and when every Jew is dead and they control Israel, they will still hate all infidels (us), then your only way to diffuse them is to bow to Allah and obey their religious leaders. Then you might have a chance!
It sounds so reasonable to try and understand them and through diplomacy and paying them off stop the killing, but Steve, without any desire to offend you, you are out of your depth when it comes to dealing with Islamic terrorism!
9:13 pm [ Quote ]
Okay, don’t believe me. But would you believe someone who has lived there and speaks the language? Someone who has been following this from day one?
Here I think is the most knowledgable web site on the net regarding this subject. Today’s blog is very interesting and very pertinent to our conversation.
http://www.juancole.com/
9:29 pm [ Quote ]
Steve: The link wouldn’t open right now, but I promise to look at it!
I am no expert, but having studied religion for over four decades and the history of Islam, I can tell you this as absolute fact: Whenever Islam has become the dominant religion in any country; through violence, torture and murder they have always been successful in getting Sharia to be the law of the land. Then all non-Muslims are subjected to discrimination, torture and death, and all women have been subjected to 3rd class status and tyranny has ruled. In those countries even so-called moderate Muslims have either submitted to the religious leaders and joined in the discrimination against all non-Muslims. Next, Islam has never and will never give up on their goal to kill all Jews and capture Jerusalem and all Israel for Islam. Islam is the enemy of Jews and Christians everywhere, and while they will play nice with those who want to understand them, only absolute victory for Allah over all the earth will ever be acceptable, and that must be won through violence in love of Allah!
How do you reason with and understand such people?
10:00 pm [ Quote ]
The truth is we are stuck with each other (Muslims and Christians). Neither one is going away any time soon. I don’t think either side has all the brains. I think there are nut cases on both sides. However, I have enough faith in people to suppose that they can and will see reason. But each side has to see the other as equal.
A solution found that will give both sides dignity and honor. No relationship is perfect but there is only one planet earth. We MUST learn to share it. We have no other choice.
Jerusalem is unique. I believe in the end, it will have to be an international holy city. Opened to all and owned by none. It would be a wonderful place for all Christian, Jewish and Muslim leaders to meet and discuss how we will accomplish living in mutual tolerance and respect. Again, in the end, we have no other choice. Unless you call mutual assured destruction a choice.
10:28 pm [ Quote ]
Countdown to the weekend
Today’s dose of NIF - News, Interesting & Funny … Weekend!
12:24 am [ Quote ]
Wow, Mits you sure know how to hurt a guy huh? Umnurnzama has limited your right to free speech by differing with your view? How has your Right to Free Speech been limited?
Where was your hatred for war when Mr. Clinton placed troops in Somalia, or Bosnia? You could argue that that was done under the authority of the UN, which is true. Perhaps you might offer that Mr. Clinton did it to end ethnic killing…also true. My question is rather simple, why do the war haters agree with war waged when a Democratic President order’s it? And why is it so noble to end ethnic killing when the victims are black (Somalia), or in Bosnia, when the victims are white, but ending the ethnic killing of Kurds and Iraq’s citizens (Arab) is so wrong. Perhaps it is PC to end the suffering of blacks…but screw the Kurds. Or are you just against Republicans and your protest is against Mr. Bush not war?
One little talking point left out of this discussion, while the left claims there were no weapons of mass destruction, proved wrong by the use of gas by Saddam on the Kurds, this was only one reason for going in. Left out of the left’s argument is a little matter of the cease fire agreement after the 1991 war. Iraq agreed to allow inspections, and UN over site, or the use of UN (America, and England) forces would continue. The reason I say America, and England is that the rest of the UN is a bunch of spineless diplomats who were either making a profit off the food for oil program (France and Germany, and of course Kofi’s son) or to mired in their own self interest to offer assistance. As history has taught us, in addition to Mr. Clinton ignoring the repeated attacks against the WTC in New York, the bombing of US embassy’s in Africa, the bombing of the USS Cole, he ignored the abuse of UN inspectors, because he was a weak leader. Of course after 8 years of this Saddam and other middle eastern terrorists considered the U.S. to passive to actually strike back at them, leading to 9/11. But make no mistake, the UN mandate had been violated so many times that there was legal backing of an invasion.
You of course have the right to protest, and your rights to free speech remain intact. but I find it strange that Mr. Clinton faced no public protest over Bosnia, Somalia, he offered no exit plan, and avoided antiwar marches by peace loving anti-war individuals. In fact I have seen no public outcry over France’s use of troops to kill Africans on the Ivory Coast to protect his Cocoa plantations. Guess it depends how how much you enjoy that morning cup of hot
chocolate.
Enjoy your right to protest and free speech. Oh and please don’t suggest that I go over to Iraq…I have already served 20 years in the Army and your welcome for protecting your right to speak out, just don’t expect everyone to agree with you. You might be right…..
John
12:25 am [ Quote ]
I think it is telling that you only picked out parts of the speech that have no substance. Why not put some comments out that can be debated?
This woman is just a mom, not a politician, not a speech writer: yet she can give a speech without the stumbling that our President does. I thought she did very well – much better than most of us would have done.
Like you, I think it is funny to point out that the President stutters and stumbles, and makes up words, but I’d rather we debate the substance of his speeches.
“Our good friends in the media are not doing their jobs…”
“Most of our friends in congress aren’t doing their jobs…”
“George Bush certainly isn’t doing his job…”
“We have to do our jobs as Americans… if nobody else will hold him accountable, we will, we will be the checks and balances on this criminal government…”
“This government that condones torture… we don’t torture, we are human beings… we have to reclaim our humanity… we have to show the world that Americans don’t torture, and that it is not OK for anybody to torture another human being.”
Debate that. Sure she is a bit like your mom, patting you on the back, being encouraging… after-all: she isn’t the President, a Senator, or even someone who gives speeches professionally.
12:55 pm [ Quote ]
mitz, I have fought for and served my country, what about you your cowardly shit?
12:56 pm [ Quote ]
Steve, rather than wait a day or so for me to check out the link you provided, you had to lecture me again? Why not a little patience?
3:27 pm [ Quote ]
John
It is not as simple as hating war. Hating war is universal. But occasionally, it is necessary. I don’t remember everyone getting upset when Bush 1 went in to Kuwait, do you??? As I remember he was Republican.
Maybe the question should be, Why are we so angry with Bush 2 for going into Iraq?
He betrayed Congress. Congress thought he needed to be able to saber rattle at Saddam in a convincing manner. Then we could go in and inspect.
Bush had no intention of letting inspectors do their work.
He skewed intel on Iraq to make it appear they were an immanent danger to the U.S.
He never indicated that the military would be hung up for years in Iraq.
He sent the military in without the proper materiel to do the job in as safe a manner as possible. ie poor armor,few new flak jackets.
He allowed the military to operate without proper planning on what to do after the initial defeat.
He did not discipline the screw ups but rather gave them promotions or medals.
He did not demand a house cleaning after Abu Gahrib.
He still did not demand a house cleaning after more Abu Gahrib type incidents were reported and apparently withheld.
you get the idea John. He is an incompetent leader and liar.
Reagan and Clinton lived in different times. Americans were not interested in military aggression until 9/11.
In fact, the few military adventures Clinton took part in were met with Republican sneers and criticism.
The French people will and should handle France’s military aggression.
No,John we don’t want you to go over to Iraq. In fact we don’t want any Americans fighting in what is now an Iraqi civil war.
Although there is a little part of me that would like to see a battalion of Upper Middle Class Republicans take up positions on the front line. But I know that is definitely a dream.
Umnumzana, get the lead out. Your age is showing. I just asked you to click one time with your mouse.
5:20 pm [ Quote ]
YOU ALL MAKE ME SICK….THIS WOMEN IS NOT DISHONORING HER SONS MEMORY…SHE IS LOOKING FOR ANSWER TO WHY HER SON HAD TO DIE FOR AN UNJUST CAUSE AND ANY OF YOU THAT HAVE POSTED OTHERWISE SHOULD LIVE FOR ONE DAY IN HER SHOES…SHAME ON YOU! HOW DARE ANYONE PASS JUDGEMENT ON A WOMEN WHO’S FIGHTING FOR HER CHILD…WETHER HE BELIVED IN THE WAR OR NOT….MOTHERS SHOULD NEVER STOP FIGHTING FOR THIS….WE LOVE AND PRAISE AND RESPECT OUR TROOPS…THATS WHY THEY SHOULD BE HOME PROTECTING THEIR CONTRY WITH THERE LOVED ONES A BLOCK AWAY INSTEAD OF AN OCEAN….IT IS UNBELIVABLE….WE PAY $5 A GALLON IN GAS AND THATS OK….MOTHERS AND FATHERS ARE BURING THERE CHILDREN AND THATS OK….WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO FREE A COUNTRY THAT DOESN’T WANT OUR HELP AND THAT IS OK…OUR OWN CONTRY IS SUFFERING AND THATS OK…A MOTHER STANDS UP FOR A CAUSE SHE BELIVES IN AND THIS IS NOT OK….ARE YOU ALL CRAZY…FOR THE LOVE OF GOD OPEN YOUR EYES….BEFORE WE ARE ALL DEAD EITHER FROM HURRICANES OR WMD….WE NEED OUR BOYS HERE….WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT AMERICA AND IT’S DIRECTION….AMERICA CANNOT BE THE POLICE OF THE WORLD AND WE CANNOT AFFORD TO DO THIS ANYMORE…BUT CINDY IS THE WACKO RIGHT? SHAME ON YOU.
8:39 pm [ Quote ]
Does this look like a grieving mother to you?
Cindy Sheehan looks more like a party animal here than a woman whose lost a son in combat. This staged arrest in front of the White House today and her screeching speech over the weekend at a moonbat rally
10:52 pm [ Quote ]
How could a grieving mother have such an apparent festive attitude about anything having to do with a son that ran from from her like someone w/ some contagious disease. Her son reenlisted knowing he was about to go into harms way. Like me, he made a choice decided to take the road less traveled …the road that was more difficult. 4000hrs in Special Operations helos gave me an appreciation of the danger that is involved with saving Americans lives & those other that are in need. If she was on fire, I would waste my piss on on her…and consider it a good thing. Cindy…You suck like a Hoover-matic on FULL SUCK
PAVELOW LOW LEADS
1:30 pm [ Quote ]
mitz: Sadly, you are absolutely right, you liberals don’t care anything at all about anyone who served their country, including those valiant soldiers and their families serving it today around the world to defend your rights. I am saddened that people like you and Matt passionately hate all those who have suffered and those who have died for America, because in your hearts you hate everything America has stood for since its founding, and those who defend it are thus your enemies. I can only think about all pain of all the soldiers and their families and then I can only be discouraged at how much you liberals hate them all!
You are happy to use the liberty purchased at such a high price by many fine people, to attack America and fight against our way of life. If like me, some of these soldiers did more than fight abroad, and served at home rescuing people in danger and saving lives, that is only more cause for you to hate us, none of these things are the politically correct, socialist things to do, right comrade?
I contacted Ian and offered to stay away from this site, because I allowed myself to get angry and use unseemly, course language against people like you and Matt; who have used used every vile word in the dictionary to attack me and denigrate me and reject all I have done in my life. I regret the language and the anger, but I am not sorry for making it plain to both of you that, old or not, I am still willing to fight injustice and lies.
I was listening to a radio talk show this morning and I heard mothers and fathers of soldiers slain in Iraq, people willing to stand up for America and against the Cindy Sheehan’s of this world, and people like you and Matt. They were proud of their children and they had a right to be, proud that they fought for our country, they were just proud to be Americans. Then, I felt really sad knowing that people like you and Matt and a few others posting on this site hate them and their children; and I believe those who protest publicly are willing accomplices in their deaths and the deaths of the soldiers yet to die. Who would I want as my friends, you or these fine people and their lost soldiers. I think the answer is obvious, I like people who love America, are willing to sacrifice and pay a price for living here, and are not afraid to stand up against all her enemies foreign or domestic.
It is a really bad day when serving our country is considered an act of evil. But, it all happened before during and after Vietnam, so many honorable, valiants soldiers spit on, denigrated, treated like scum all because they answered the call to service and did their best to do their duty. Here we go again, you, Cindy, Matt and others are spitting on America’s veterans and those serving abroad. Just to mention we served or are serving is sufficient cause to have you attacks us and spit on us all over again. I hope it makes you happy!
Please don’t pray for me Mitz, I know yours and Matt’s god, he was a liar from the beginning and the truth was not in him, because he is the father of all lies and liars! He is your father and Matt’s father, and your deserve each other for all the evil you have done!
I am asking Ian to read yours and my posting!
12:43 pm [ Quote ]
Adam: I have no expertise in the Islamic religion, although I have read many books and articles about Islam. First, doesn’t it depend upon who reads and teaches the Koran? That is, there are many radical Islamic clerics who would say that Islam does teach violence, and based on those teachings many people throughout the past millennium have been killed by those claiming to be Muslims. Next, what about the Muslim people killed for adultery or violence against women defying the Islamic dress codes even today? What about those who have tried to take other religious faiths into Islamic countries, who have been killed for speaking against Islam, even today?
Next, what about passages like the one quoted below? “Speaking as an oracle of Allah, Mohammed commanded that all those who opposed his message be killed or they should be nailed on a tree or their hands and legs be cut off, or they be driven out of the land. (Surah 5.36).” Sounds pretty violent to me!
My point is that there are some Muslims and many reasonable religious scholars that would say Islam does in fact teach violence to promote and defend the faith, and history would testify that much violence has been done in the name of Islam both to Muslims and infidels.
Please don’t speak of violence done in the name of Christ in history, much wrong has been done by them as well, but the subject you introduced was only about Islam and violence!
9:47 am [ Quote ]
You may like the pictures in this web site.
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